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"My goal is to always come from a place of love...but sometimes you just have to break it down for a motherfucker." - RuPaul

Because I love you, I'm going to divulge a secret of the universe to you, one that is not taught or understood by many pagan or magical groups in the world. Like all such secrets, it's pretty damned simple, and yet still seems to elude a fair number of people, even people with a lot of letters after their names. Also, like all such secrets, it may not be a thing you're going to like, because knowledge of it places more of the burden of controlling your life and your fortunes squarely on your back.

So here it is:
For the most part, people are going to treat you in the way that you indicate you should be treated. If you act as if you are undeserving of notice, people will not notice you. If you act as if you are unworthy of friendship, people will avoid befriending you. If you act as if you are not a fully-functioning member of society, people will treat you as such.

On the other hand, if you act as if you are beautiful, people will line up to flirt with you. If you act as if you have your shit together, people will come to you for advice. If you act as if you have every right to do whatever it is that you are doing, people will get out of your way and let you do it.

Don't believe me? Try it. Try convincing yourself that you are something that you do not generally believe that you are, and then observe how people react to you. I think that you will find that for the most part, people take their cues on how to react to you from you - your words, your vocal tones, your body postures.

This has particular relevance to something I've been bugged about for the last few days, that being the perception by a significant portion of pagandom that non-pagans are automatically going to act like pagans are weird and icky as soon as they find out that the pagans are, well, pagans. I disagree. I think that, following from the above, if pagans act like paganism is a faith worthy of respect, and not something silly, strange, or shocking, that other people will generally follow along with this. I think that if you don't act as if nobody will understand you, you will find that a fair number of people do, in fact, understand you. And I think that if you don't go out of your way to shock people with your faith, that fewer people than you might expect to will find your faith shocking.

The problem here is this: in order to be accepted as respectable, serious, and dedicated, you have to stop acting like you're not those things. You have to give up your inclinations to shock people, to offend people, to throw your faith in their face just to get a reaction. And no, not everybody is going to accept you. This has nothing to do with your faith (although, yes, it can be a handy excuse) - there is not now and never was a person on this earth that everybody likes, not even Jesus, Jimmy Carter, or Mother Teresa. Some people are dicks. Sorry about that.

This has been a moment of Severity. Thanks for reading.

NOTE: As noted below, there are people who take this to mean that the victims of violence are to blame for the event. I believe that this is wrong - just as rude people are to blame for their own rudeness, violent people are responsible for their own violence. I do, however understand that there are violent people in the world, and will choose to present myself as if I were a poor target for violence, in accordance with the above.
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
I agree that it is possible to present oneself as weak, or easily victimized, and that doing so puts one at greater risk for being assaulted, but working backwards to say that if you've been assaulted it is probably because you indicated you should be assaulted, is patently false.

I don't know that I can agree with that. I would like to, as it seems like the polite thing to do. You're talking about blame/fault, and I'm talking about responsibility/control. I don't think that the two are equivalent.

Here's a hypothetical, starring you and me (not that I'm suggesting you're a rapist, it's just easier to talk about you and me than Person A and Person B).

If I fly to Seattle, and you meet me in the airport, drag me back to your car bodily and beat and rape me, I think it's pretty clear who is to blame. However, had I not chosen to fly to Seattle in the first place, the event would not have happened. Hence, even though you are to blame, I could have prevented the attack and did not.

Similarly, if the situation were the same, but I had presented myself as a person worthy of avoiding in the area of violence (i.e. I caused you to think that I was armed/had a strong martial arts background/had caustic blood like in Alien), the chances of that attack are significantly reduced. Again, if you choose to attack me, you are to blame, but I am exercising some degree of control over the situation, which will reduce the probability that you actually will attack me.

Had I not exerted that control, I would not have done all that I could to prevent violence. In a sense, it would be true that the reason you beat and raped me was because I presented myself as an easy target, since changing that fact would probably have prevented the attack. I don't think that's the same as saying I'm to blame for having been attacked.

And I agree with you that an invitation to sexual attention is not the same as an invitation to sexual violence. It's worthy of note, though, that I am aware that there are people who are incapable of making that distinction, or who choose not to, and I try to behave accordingly.
From: [identity profile] lysana.livejournal.com
If you had no reason to believe you were going to be attacked, you bear no responsibility for the choice of flying to Seattle leading to your being raped.

Date: 2004-07-20 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
What I'm trying to illustrate here is that the events themselves are not the same (to me) as the moral or emotional perception of the events.

In a strict objective sense, one of the things that caused event B (the attack) to happen is event A (my flight). There are, of course, probably hundreds of other events that feed into event B, but regardless of all of those things, if event A does not occur, event B cannot occur. It is possible that if I don't fly to Seattle, my assailant will spend the evening beating and raping some other person (Event BB?) but I can't say that with certainty.

When you are talking about moral content of the events, you are right without reservation, it is in no way my fault that these things have occurred.

I'm just saying that it is possible for me to be part of the cause of an event without bearing any blame for the event.
From: [identity profile] greektoomey.livejournal.com
That's all very reasonable, but it doesn't mesh with your original premise, unless you believe that visiting someone you've never met before is in some way presenting yourself as a person who should be raped.

Even if I were to attack you in that situation, it would be false for anyone to say that I did so because you consciously chose to present yourself as deserving of such.

Failing to do everything that you could to protect yourself from possible attacks is not the same thing as indicating you should be attacked.
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
That's all very reasonable, but it doesn't mesh with your original premise, unless you believe that visiting someone you've never met before is in some way presenting yourself as a person who should be raped.

I'm not saying that - I'm just trying to illustrate the difference between being a cause and being at fault, as in my response to [livejournal.com profile] lysana. I think that this is similar, but not the same as, a situation in which presenting yourself as an easy target could cause you to be attacked, without making you guilty of the attack.

Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
Maybe this is a better way to say this:
What you originally challenged me on seemed to be that you could make the assertion "The way you act affects how people treat you, and knowing this, you can use it to make people treat you the way you want to be treated" mean "A woman who is raped is to blame for her rape because she acted in a way that was (something)".
The whole thing with the flight and that was intended to show a difference between being a cause of something and being to blame for something. I think that these are different things, having a causal relationship to something and being guilty of something. I think that taking the original statement "The way you act affects how people treat you, etc." and making it into "A woman who is raped is to blame for her rape, etc." is a gross distortion, and is taking the original assertion into a moral realm, where it may or may not apply.

Re: Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greektoomey.livejournal.com
Ah, but that was not the original statement. The original statement was "[P]eople are going to treat you in the way that you indicate you should be treated."

It is not a gross distortion (semantically, at least) to deduce from this that "The way people treat you is the way you indicate you should be treated," and further, "If people treat you a certain way it is because you indicated that you should be treated that way."

...

"The way you act affects how people treat you" is a far better way of phrasing your idea, because affecting others' behavior is not the same thing as choosing their behavior. Your original premise suggested that it is possible to choose how people will treat you.

Re: Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
If it's reading that way, then I have said the wrong thing. I do not believe that you can choose the way that others will behave with certainty. I do believe that you can affect how others choose to behave, which was the point I was trying to make.

Re: Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greektoomey.livejournal.com
*nod*

I agree wholeheartedly and without reservation.

This is a very good example of why I regard clarity of expression as being of the utmost importance. Your original statement was far too easy to pervert into something you did not intend. Your clarified statement, while not as powerful as the original, is truer, and therefore not subject to the same kind of hateful perversion.

Re: Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
Hazards of writing the way you speak, partially. I never meant to imply that the way you act is the sole determinant of the way people treat you. Had I said this, instead of writing it, it probably would have passed.

I didn't originally understand your objection, but once you pointed out where you were speaking from, it was apparent. Thank you for being my adversary today, I think it's been very productive (just in the sense of "personally useful", not in the sense of "getting things done at work").

Re: Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greektoomey.livejournal.com
Quite welcome! I am always happy to improve productivity, especially if I can simultaneously subvert it.

Re: Also/alternately, to clarify

Date: 2004-07-20 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com
Yep. On further re-read, the original post could be taken as speaking in absolutes. I know me, and I know I'm not speaking in the sense of "these things are generally/often true", but I have no assurance that this is going to come across to other people. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

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