Subjectivity/Objectivity

[featherynscale]

As much as I believe that reality is what you make it, and that the universe is a very, very subjective place, I also believe that there are some "facts" around which such a consensus has been built as to make them if not actually objectively true, at least living in a house on the same block as objectively true.

One of these facts is that I do not now have, and have not ever had, a pierced tongue.

And yet, for the second time in my life, I have been denied employment due to my alleged tongue ring.

So let me ask you all this, you who know me, and especially you who have had direct experience of my tongue: Does it seem to any of you that I might have a pierced tongue?

If people are going to be like that about it, I suppose I might as well go get the piercing done. I've wanted one for years, but I thought it might make me less employable. ::boggle::

Comments

[adammaker.livejournal.com]

So you need to wiggle-waggle your tongue as part of a job interview.
The world just keeps getting better. (sheesh)

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

I'm willing to give it a go. Of course, then, they'll probably pass over me because I'm inclined towards lewd behavior. I think that's somehow better, though, since that's at least true...

Also, I love the disaffected oversexed thug bunny.

[adammaker.livejournal.com]

I love that icon, too.
I still need to add the second green armband. 8^)

[awillowweeping.livejournal.com]

that is the weirdest thing ever.
Cant you just say, excuse me i DONT HAVE a tounge ring?

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

Well, see, this was through a recruiter. So I went to the interview weeks ago, and never got a callback. So I finally called the recruiter today, and said, "Hey, did they ever say anything about my interview?". So she says, "Well, they said that they wanted to hire someone who looked professional, and with your tongue ring, you didn't look very professional." So I told her I didn't have one. So she says, "Well, I can call them back and tell them you took it out.", and I'm like, "No, actually, I didn't, because I never had one to begin with." So they called the company back and told them that. Then, later, the recruiter called me back and told me that the woman I had interviewed with had told her that yes I did have a tongue ring, and that they weren't going to do business with a placement agency that lied to them. So then, the recruiter was mad at me about it. So apparently that sort of thing doesn't much help. ::boggle, again::

[rougewench.livejournal.com]

I would be in my car, down at the recruiter's office, in that person's face with my tongue sticking out, with the strong statement that you do not appreciate being considered a liar.


D.

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

That may be on this evening's agenda.

[next-bold-move.livejournal.com]

Will you take a picture if you decide to do that?

[lexpendragon.livejournal.com]

She Could Just Email Them A Picture Of Her Tongue, Close Up So They can See there Isn't A Hole.

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

That's pretty gross, hon. Not to mention it's something I can't really do by myself. I'd have to talk someone else into taking a picture of my tongue, which seems sort of unlikely.

[awillowweeping.livejournal.com]

OO! even better then my idea

Analysis...

[niveus-tigris.livejournal.com]

Actually, the person she interviewed with was calling the recruiter a liar, not featherynscale, so far as I can tell.

In my own defense, I have wondered what kissing her would be like if she hand one and would not put it past her to actually get one...I think it would suit her.

Even if it does appear unprofessional to the conservatives.

Re: Analysis...

[rougewench.livejournal.com]

Indeed, however, if the recruiter was upset with her over the behavior of the company's HR person, that indicates that the recruiter also does not believe her.


D.

Re: Analysis...

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

Presumably. But she is a little on the goofy side anyway, so I consider this the end of my affiliation with that particular organization, and no great loss.

Re: Analysis...

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

What are you defending yourself for?

[awillowweeping.livejournal.com]

Wow,

then..find the person you had an interview with and threaten to sue then for making it harder for messing up your rep with the recruiters becayse, NO you never had a tounge ring. I mean, if people can sue over spilt coffee.

ir just peirce your tounge and at least give them a reason. :) it'll be cheaper!

it's weird, because when I HAD my tounge peirced, no one ever noticed it.

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking about just having it done, now. If I'm going to pay the penalties, I ought to at least be able to reap the rewards.

[rougewench.livejournal.com]

Actually I would suggest she have an letter sent on a lawfirm's letterhead, stating that their client does not appreciate their company's employee defaming their client to her recruiter, demanding a formal written apology.


D.

[triadruid.livejournal.com]

I support this one. I think we know someone who would do it, too...

[tryst-inn.livejournal.com]

Call the Department of Labor - and get some kind of statement from a doctor that your tongue is indeed intact.

That said, why the hell would an employer care about a tongue ring?? What kind of job(s) are you applying for that an intact tongue is such an issue that they are willing to make an incorrect assumption with regards to it?

Dang...that's just wierd. I taught with a navel ring in public and private schools!

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

Huh. I wonder if I can sue for this. Not that I would, I suppose, but still.

The first job that I didn't get over this was as a legal secretary, a couple of years ago. This one was a support position to the marketing department of a real estate agency, sort of office manager/graphic designer sort of game. Neither of which, I'm pretty sure, would have required anyone to look at my tongue.

[tryst-inn.livejournal.com]

Probably not sue, but you do want to send a letter to both the Department of Labor and the company (cc the HR department head) stating that you are very concerned that a decision with regards to employment was made on a false supposition, i.e. your non-existent tongue ring!

Then await responses - should be intersting if nothing else.

[diermuid.livejournal.com]

If it depresses you, there is pain and suffering. Plus the kicker, you were disqualified for something THEY lied about (your interviewer).

Ok, it may have been a mistake, but when presented with a contrary fact, she still INSISTED that you had one, causeing damage to your reputation both with the company AND your placement firm.

It's MUCH more solid than spilling coffee in your own lap and look what SHE got! (other than notariery and a scorched hoo-hah).

[gamera-spinning.livejournal.com]

This is a classic case of temporal fugue displacement.

Y'see, you don't have a tongue piercing, but years ago when you considered one, a temporal alternative was born. That "alternative you" underwent the process and obviously there was a brief chrono-synchronous moment when both yourself and your alternate were trying to obtain the same position. The potential employer obviously caught a flash of this alternative you or fugue, and denied you employment.

You could, of course, sue your temporal alternate, but that would require an alternate reality trial, and legal representation skilled in multi-dimensional law. It's probably not worth it.

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

Dammit. Alternate-me has all the fun.

Sell tickets!

[adammaker.livejournal.com]

No, but it could be the new para-trial of the century.

I'm sure you could lick the opposition.

[taran-stone.livejournal.com]

Ahh, yes. The Trousers of Time theory. I see.

[zylch.livejournal.com]

Might as well pierce it. IMHO, anyplace that cares that much about whether you have a tongue piercing is probably not a place you would be happy working at anyway.

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

That's kinda my thought at the moment, yeah.

[tyrantlizard.livejournal.com]

i had a tongue ring once. a barbell, really. i failed to read the instructions and did not periodically check to make sure the end was tightly screwed on. it went down the hatch one day when eating a McDonald's Big 'n Tasty burger.

I don't particularly miss it.

[featherynscale.livejournal.com]

I'm fond of them as a concept. I suspect that having one would dramatically reduce my tendancy to constantly chew gum or eat candy at work, too.

When you lost yours, did the hole heal well, or did it give you trouble?

[matchgirl42.livejournal.com]

Dude. They're still on about that?

Now, I've always thought it possible that you could have a pierced tongue, but that's because I know you. And know things about you that an HR flunkie couldn't possibly find out in the span of an interview. Of course, I also know that if you did get your tongue pierced, you'd tell me. I wouldn't have to guess or assume.

(how rude, btw, for the HR flunkie to assume that you had one without actually seeing your tongue.)

I agree with the others...write a few letters. At the very least you'll probably get a written apology.

And yeah, you probably wouldn't want to work at a company like that, anyway.

[matchgirl42.livejournal.com]

Ooops. Forgot the end italics tag. Bimbo moment, 'scuse. Pretend the italics ended after the "but that's because I know you."

[zylch.livejournal.com]

urge to blatently steal icon... overwhelming... must... resist...

[matchgirl42.livejournal.com]

C'mon...you know you want to. ;)

[brandy22kc.livejournal.com]

1. i dont think you look like you have a toungue ring at all even close, 2. I cant belive that would effect you getting a job i've had mine pierced for almost 4 years now and even got to the inteview with a silver bright bar bell in and got the job. 3. GO DO IT freaks on braudway or freaks on noland (ask for fish) it only hurts the first day, and if you take care of it really good heals easy, but i'm still in disbeif i've goten 4 jobs with my tounge pierced (i get board and quit)

[zylch.livejournal.com]

Well if we're recommending places... Irezumi on Wornall (right near the big shiny liquor shop on the east side, a block or two south of Tassos). That's where I got my ear done, and I intend to return for my next tattoo. Freaks is also good, of course, but Irezumi would be a lot closer for you.

[closer-to-fine.livejournal.com]

What a crock of shit. I agree with Denise- scare a little fear of (insert name of favorite deity) and send 'em a nasty letter on fancy letterhead.

I also agree that you should just get it done. I highly recommend the piercer I used- her name is Rene and she works at A-1 Tattoo on N. Oak Trafficway. I got mine done several years ago and have had zero problems with it. It hurt for about 2 days and took another week or so to not lisp and learn to chew without biting the barbell. It *is* a good deterrent for gum (if it's sticky) or hard candy (like Jolly Ranchers).

And yes, it is a nifty toy in the bedroom. :)

[zianuray.livejournal.com]

That's just silly. What job would have you sticking your tongue out at customers all day anyhow?