featherynscale | I don't know about you kids, but...

I'm not comfortable with the idea of the president of the united states saying things like "I am mindful that we're all sinners". Not only because I happen to disagree with that statement, but also because, well, there's that whole separation of church and state thing. That's an appropriate statement from a pastor or a priest, but not so much from a government official, especially the one that's supposedly running this whole show here. Or at least that's the way things go in my world.

And then there's the whole same-sex marriage thing. In my world, either marriage is a civil affair, primarily concerned with things like tax codes and property rights, and powers of attorney, and things like that, in which case it has nothing to do with religion, and morality or immorality shouldn't enter into the matter, or marriage is a religious affair, primarily concerned with creating some ideal soul-state for the moral advancement of the people entering into it, in which case, religious institutions should get to decide who they will and will not marry, and government shouldn't enter into the matter.

But hey, that's just me, and I could be wrong.

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1000 plus years of culture views and ideas are hard to change, Marriage as a general rule is veiwed as a religous act thats not going to change very quickly. Just my two cents.

Anyone who has ever gone through a divorce will tell you that marriage is a contract, pure and simple. Actually it was always a contract. That it was a sacrament has had very little to do with it, it was always chattel for chattel (wife/dowery for bride price). A direct property exchange. The whole love thing only came about with the Victorian ideal and that happened because dear Vickers happend to fall in love with the prince she was stuck with, Albert.

Bush however is a moron who sincerely believes that God is talking to him...of course he's going to call anyone who is doing anything he thinks is "wrong" a sinner.

D.

Contract or not it was overseen most of the time by a religons agency of some sort. Ergo, veiwed as having religous ramifications.

Actually, that was not the case until it was codified by the Council of Trent in the 1500s. Prior to that marriage was a civil affair that took place publically, but often not in an actual church, most often the civil ceremony was held in the most public place in a community.

D.

*shrugs*

Hmmm ... Bush supposedly talks to God. Son of Sam supposedly talked to his Dog.

Coincidence? I think not ...

I am currently 75% through my Human Heritage text book, I think the course was called "Social Studies". One thing that REALLY has come to light, was the close ties between Christianity, and our government. While our state is not controlled by the Pope, nor by the Church of England... Christianity does seem to play a very large role in our traditional government style.

While I still don't agree with psychobob in his assertion that Bush is waging the 20th crusade against the antichrist, I do see where a lot of the evidence that supports this theory is solid. It is part of why I want to study law... there is a disconnect, there is still something between we the people, and they the leaders. Hard to put a finger on, but as that Xfile dude would say... the truth is out there.

At least I think that is the quote... I could never keep track of them... all I know is that the chick was the doubting Thomas.

That was, indeed, the quote. Mulder for President!!!

But hey, that's just me, and I could be wrong.

There you go, talking sense again, that'll only lead to trouble.

Pete Milan had a few choice words that say it much better than I could here.

Yep. That's about how I'm looking at it. Thanks for posting - much more funny is needed.

I still hold to my theory that a marriage is an announcement that two people will be moving in together, and the wedding is where you get the honor of furnishing their house. I could be jaded by the fact that I have to put on a tux for one and don't get a top hat.

Bah. It's hardly worth putting a tux on unless you get a top hat as well.

THANK YOU! Why doesn't anyone else get this? The top hat is sooo necessary! I may have to go rogue and just get one and sneak it in, toss it on when no one's looking.

I'm with you sister...100%

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right on!