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featherynscale ([personal profile] featherynscale) wrote2003-11-21 10:48 am

The Talk

Had The Talk(tm) with Human Resources today. The Holding Company is divesting itself of a significant portion of its assets (which I knew) and there will be major organizational shifts to come, which is to say that 1/2 to 2/3 of the staff will be released to go on to bigger and better things, or whatever.

It appears that I have a choice. Roll off, take a significant severance package (though no numbers were discussed, so I can't say how significant "significant" is), and find another job, potentially as soon as March, or stay on, and essentially become the MIS and HR departments, at a significantly increased pay rate (again, no numbers).

With a much-reduced staff and much-reduced interests, reasonably, absorbing these two functions would not increase my workload by much at all, as most of my current job function would also disappear into the ether. However, should the Company decide to acquire other assets (as it likely would eventually), I'd probably move into one or the other department as its head, (which is somewhat alarming to me - I'm perfectly capable of performing the functions of either of these departments, but I'm not sure I care for the concept that people might report to me).

Bleh. So apparently, I need to come to a decision on this within the next few weeks. Slack and take severence, or take a raise and a new job? Don't know. This would be a lot easier if there had been some numbers attached to these options.

[identity profile] saffronhare.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
I think it is most reasonable to insist upon actual numbers in order to consider the choices they have offered you. I've even used the phrase, "Really, having given it some thought, I have to insist..." to great effect in workplace negotiations before. Good luck!

[identity profile] kcwitch.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
yeah i agree with [livejournal.com profile] saffronhare
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I'll third that (damn Druids)

[identity profile] triadruid.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
I am hoping it was simply because this was a preliminary meeting that no numbers were discussed, especially in severance vs. future pay. These are absolutely critical to making an informed decision; workload would also be important, of course.

Whichever way the ball rolls, you know you have our support.

Re: I'll third that (damn Druids)

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah - this was basically him giving me a heads-up so I don't freak out when the official notice comes down the pipe later, and so that if I had any severe interest in taking the new position, that he'd have time to actually train me to do it - he's only in the office about one week out of every three, so he's trying to get his ducks in a row as well.

He basically implied that there would be a more official discussion in a few weeks, with more information forthcoming.

[identity profile] zylch.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 10:50 am (UTC)(link)
Get more information, duh. That being said, and not knowing what the market is like in your field, I would say if you won't hate yourself for taking the raise/new job option, take it. Two words: economy sucks!

[identity profile] kittenpants.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
Head of MIS & HR? Phenomenal Cosmic Power™? The ability to hire and fire? The ability to tell people to do things and actually have them do it?

Hell, look at the numbers, but a steady job and a raise is nothing to sneeze at in the Glorious Economy of the Holy American Empire.

Plus the amazing potential for messing with people's heads. :)

If it truly ends up being an awful change, you can always quit.

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I'd really sort of *be* MIS and HR, at least for a while. The opportunities to mess with people's heads would be pretty minimal.

At this point, when everything's nebulous like this, it's really a battle between ambition and slack-drive. And ambition has never really been my middle name. But we'll see what happens as more information comes in.

In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out a)what fair-market value on the new job might be, and b)how easy it would be for me to pick up a new job outside the Company, just for comparison purposes. I know the general economy sucks, but there's generally always something worthwhile within my range of function.

[identity profile] zylch.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
You could always join the escort service J, D, and I are thinking of starting in January. Or something.

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
And uh.... which one(s) of you kids are going to be the "escorts" in this plan?

[identity profile] zylch.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Considering we likely all three to be out work at the time... well, draw your own conclusions.

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, honey. You're going to need to hire me and [livejournal.com profile] kittenpants on as contractors then, just to train you lot.
*runs like hell, part II*

[identity profile] zylch.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Hire? You realize this plan came about because we're all desperate for cash, right? Hiring isn't going to happen any time soon. Now if y'all want to ,i>volunteer, I'm sure the boys won't mind. Just bring along someone for me as well, 'kay?

[identity profile] zylch.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno. Your choice, though I retain veto power.

Why do I have the feeling I'm going to regret this?

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Could throw it out to the Gaia List and see who volunteers...
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Hey, that's my trick!

[identity profile] triadruid.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Errr, poor choice of words, maybe...

Re: Hey, that's my trick!

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
She's your trick? Alrighty then. That looks like volunteerism to me.

[identity profile] adammaker.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
Get all the facts, but keep that job.
Not easy to find new work, so the prospect of continue employ should be described with multiple superlatives.





"What are the facts? Again and again and again—what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what 'the stars foretell,' avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable 'verdict of history,'—what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"—Lazarus Long

[identity profile] featherynscale.livejournal.com 2003-11-21 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, neither the decision nor the reduction in force are immediate, so there is plenty of time for full investigations, which I'm already starting, including a sort of job-market survey... if it looks as if it's going to be terribly perilous and painful finding something new, I'll stay here (it's that impulse to slack kicking in again). Evaluate, evaluate, evaluate.

Lovely quote, by the way. I'm fond of that dirty old man, Mr. Long.

Money & Power?

[identity profile] hotokegi.livejournal.com 2003-11-22 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Take it and run, woman! :)

--Jed